Copyright rules

Are the 'rules' of copy rights changing because of the internet?

I've been over at the Writers Wrules site for a few months and I started a discussion about posting writing on only password protected sites.

The site was made from a group of people that broke off of the Harper Collins Authonomy site. They are a site that allows writers to post their work for everyone to see. There's whole novels posted there. You then get reviews from the people there that pushes you toward an editor desk and from there a chance to get published. (I have no idea how many people have had this chance)

Now at the Writer's Wrules site you can password protected your writing. So people do have to sign into see your work. But then anyone can sign up.

Another site Scribophile has work that's opened to the public and work that is password protected, but anyone can sign up. You do have to pay to post more then three items though. (I did however get amazing crits at that site!) Again though – anyone can sign up and see the work.

Then there's the Forward Motion site. You can post chapters/shorts to the roving crit groups, but anyone can sign up and see them. The only place that is truly password protected are the private crit groups.

So the question comes back where is save to post your writing for a crit?

The people over at the Writer Wrules site say that the internet copy right issues are changing. That one shouldn't care that a novel is out in the open for everyone to see. More chance of some agent coming to the site and seeing what you have to offer etc…

I've always been told. Don't put your writing in a place where you don't need a password to get in. But if you're on a site where anyone can sign up and see what's their. Those people would still be able to take your writing. A person can sign up in seconds.

Does one need to find a group that limits the people that are allowed in? Like the Dreaming in Ink site? (They even send chapters through email rather then post them on the internet.)

Should one stay away from groups that allow you to post your work free to the public? Do agents and publishers down a day care if it's out in the open? Or do they still consider it published and they won't touch it?

I wish there was something that could tell me the right or wrong of this. I feel very confused about the issues. (I know it's come up more times then I can count.) But with the talk over at the Wrules site it seems to me that an invite only site is the safest place to post work.

Crazy

I joined www.scribophile.com/ and I love the site. Found out you have to have a pro account to post more then three things and thinking very hard if I want to spend 5 bucks a month for that. On the other hand I’ve gotten some great crits there and suprisingly enough more on Peace then I would have thought.

And the shocking part. Everyone likes it! (Dies)

This is the novel I’ve cursed at. The novel I’ve wanted to rip to peices. To delete and forget about it. To stop and never look at again (I’ve only done that twice) The novel that I - love the idea to, but still hate it for reasons I still have yet to find out.

I dread opening this novel up and working on the edits because of the crazy phrases that are all over the place. Ones that make no sense at all and have me delete paragraphs and trying to decide what I really meant to say.

And 8 crits of people liking has my head spinning!

I thought for sure everyone would feel the same as I did. But so far they like the Main character, Andry, the child of the Faye that has blue skin and is heading off to a human city to become the key to a peace between the Faye, Shide and humans.

50 pages of editing on the book and I don’t want to even look at it. (sigh) I’m never going to get this novel done at this rate.

Scribophile

http://www.scribophile.com/

I joined a few days ago and I'm glad I did. So far it's been a great site. You earn points for critting, so you do have to crit to post, so that cuts down on people there just to get crits on their work.

I'm C. M. Clark over there if anyone joins.

DONE

76 days later An Act of Bloodshed is done at 106300 words. (Really - thats the count!)

I'm very happy it's finally finished. Onward to book two!

Update

Well, I'm very slow to update this blog.


Got a crit back on Demon's Gift. Very nice, changed a few things, added some words. Sent it off for a line crit that has me scared to death. Yikes.

Waiting for crits back on Run - that poor novel is going to be torn a part, I just know it!

Guild book is coming along, 62K and counting. (Page 6 of the outline yikes)

Started another novel (like I need to be working on two at at time!) It's about Fairies and angels. (Made a special clay angel plot bunny) I'll post pics later! need to paint it!

To many novels, not enough crit groups

Is it right to flood a crit group with dozens of novels? because if isn't I need another group. So working on a new idea:

I'm thinking of setting up a (password protected) forum where a group 5 to 10 people can crit full finished novels. (No short stories, no flash, no half finished novels etc.)

This way one novel will have at least 5 to 10 crits. Plus the reader will be able to see the novel in it's whole, rather then a few chapters at a time. The idea will to have each novel be read and critted in a 3 months time frame (more if the novel is longer).

Genre wise, I want to say open for everything. The group will need to be for anyone 18 and over.

Novel's would not be posted on the forum, rather emailed to those that wish to read them. The crits would be posted on the forum so others will be able to talk about each crit as it comes up.

Email me at magicalbookworm@gmail.com with Novel Guild in the subject if you're interested or have any questions!


(so far I don't think I know anyone that has full novels though ... sigh)

Science Fiction Universe World Building Group

Not many people will be reading this, but thought I'd post anyways :)

I'm posting this to look for anyone that wants to join a forum that will be building a universe that is based in science fiction. Think: Star Wars, Star Trek, Firefly, Stargate (I've named only tv and movies). The idea is to make a world that could work for novels, short stories, scripts or games. The world building will take place on a forum that will be password protected.

We'll try and build a fully thought out galaxies, systems, planets, aliens, technology and more. We can even go into how each group of aliens think of other aliens. How they deal with first contact how they deal with groups with lower technology and more.

By joining the group you agree that any information you post can be used by anyone on the group and that the information on the board will not be posted anywhere else by any member. I do also want to make sure that if people do leave the group any information that they have posted stays with the group.

The group will be open to start with for ten to twenty people (this might change once people start joining there as there is a poll on the boards for how many people should join.) I don't want to have to large of group and at the same time to small of group.

If you don't think you have time for the group here something to help you decided: I don't expect anyone that joins to drop everything. Maybe people will spend hours building something for the group and someone will only have a few minutes to drop in notes. The group needs both kinds of members. Most of all I want the group to be fun and to help stretch each members imagination of world building.

I'm also hoping that we can find a few artists to draw some items that will be created if we want to go down that road.

And finally the link:

http://s13.invisionfree.com/SF_Universe_Group/

I will have to validate your name once you sign up.

Nanowrimo

words for nano 77435 this year has been tough. but I like the novel I'm working on and looking forward to Nov. being over.

I'll have to finish up DG in Dec. however but that will be fine.
other goals for Dec.

Reread and edit Ghosts and post to the Dreaming In Ink crit group and to Gathering Cricle via fmwriters.com

Reread and edit and MI and post to Cricle via fmwriters.com

Panic about Run going to the Novel Group via fmwriters.com (happens in Jan/Feb) (shakes in fear!)

Let's see. I then have dozens of crits to get to or at least ogranize. (I've left the crit sites alone for a month and now I'm all behind!) (no novel for the novel club however. yay)

Then come Jan I am starting the Guild books! :o the 35K outline that i spent six months writing. It's going to be the years project, at least if I don't get annoyed by it.

now to try and finish Nano. I'm thinking 35K to go 5900 words a day. HA looks like novel is going into Dec.

Busy

Getting ready for Nano and feeling a little eh about crit groups.

I'm part of a bunch of crit groups. The comments I've gotten have been great. Now though… everything looks to have and I have no idea why. But lately… I find myself checking to see if there are any comments and having none. I hope it picks up. Got some good replies on a short I wrote, so need to go through them and rewrite it. :D

18 days until nano. *sigh* can't the month go by faster?

Massive Outline Finished!

I've been working on an outline for MONTHS (like 7 or more) It's a serise of books and I finally finished the outline last night. 34,846 word outline!! 52 pages!!! It's assive! I'm hoping it'll be 4 books, though I wouldn't care if it turns out to be 3. But it's done and printed and in it's own binder. :D

I just hope I can see the book breaks when I start writing this series. I have no idea where they are in the outline.

I believe it'll be the project for 2009 between it and editing it should keep me busy, right?

Now to get Ghosts edited and I have two ther outlines (I so hope they are NORMAL outlines!) to write! :)

Then Nano! Though two of the novels I posted for a poll are tied. Yesh!

Though I need to finish the crossroad novel before Nov to write it, so it might as well be the Horse racing idea that get's to go first!

Finished!!

Done with novel. Done done done!
FINALLY

why do i feel like i've been working on this novel forever?! I started it july 1st!

93218 i don't care if i didn't reach the goal i jotted down. 95K because I knoew there's a ton of stuff to add when i get around to editing this novel... the thought of that makes me shudder... :p

take a break for a day or so and then going to edit Ghosts and go through Massive outline and pick up where I left off. I need that outline done.

but novel is finished! YAY

Busy!!

I'm bad, I forget about this blog.

I joined Crit Partner Match the other day, very interesting. http://critpartnermatch.ning.com

I posted this blog here, because it's ment to be my offical writing blog. (Let's see how long that lasts.)

Writing:

Been doing some dares via fmwriters.com
Finished editing Run. It'll go to readers this Dec Jan. yay. Though I am kinda teriffied and kinda exited.... eep!

Novel I'm writing:

I started out... hating this novel with a passion. Now I like it, but I'm worried when I go back to edit... I'll HATE it... *sigh* we'll see.




Closer and closer to the end...

Diiww is reading BQ a chapter at a time. So is Owww. Going slow for both groups. I've had more comments on the first two chapters then any of the 6 I have up.

Outline:

Still working on MASSIVE OUTLINE... the caps because it's 17,000 words and still going. Haven't worked on it a awhile, waiting for September. Taking a break for two months before Nano comes up.

So going to edit: A Plague of Ghosts and outline for two months! Maybe crit some work also. Weee!

I'll remember to update faster!

Writing

So, started writing again. Going slow as I try and get back into this novel. It's in thrid person, so that's werid too (finished a 1st person novel a month ago)

Finished editing Family of Forture and felling kinda... eh about it. I don't like the last fourth of it. don't know what's wrong either. blah

I think I'll open up Run and start rereading it.

New blog

So, not sure why I've created this, but it has my pen name on the blog unlike all my other sites. My writing site: http://cmclarkwriter.googlepages.com/
I need to update it.